39. John Magee on Native Plant Design

JOHN MAGEE BIO

John Magee has been designing and building landscapes in the Washington DC Metro area and beyond for the past 30 years.  After receiving his B.S. degree in Agriculture from the Ohio State University and spending a few years training and showing horses, he settled into the landscaping industry as the General Foreman of Pennsylvania’s highest award-winning landscaping firm.  While in Pennsylvania, he became a volunteer at Hawk Mountain Sanctuary where he met his wife Susana and was introduced to habitat gardening and the use of native plants in the landscape.  He now operates his own award-winning design firm Magee Design in the beautiful countryside of Middleburg, VA where he also enjoys kayaking and taking long walks with his wife and dogs Shaq and Dilly.  He created and hosts the award-winning Native Plant Podcast to help inform the public about the benefits of landscaping with native plants. You can learn more about John at his website john-magee.com and at The Native Plant Podcast.

SHOW NOTES

  • Finding rejuvenation and inspiration in the native ecosystems of Dolly Sods, West Virginia

  • A moment of awe sparked by discovering pink-flowered Pedicularis canadensis (wood betony) in the wild

  • Childhood memories in his grandmother’s garden sparking a lifelong love of plants

  • Transitioning from a career in horse training to landscape design through hands-on landscaping work

  • Lessons learned from building projects for designer Joanne Kostecki of Garden Design in the New American Garden style

  • Realizing the lack of plant knowledge in many commercial landscaping contexts

  • Shifting from production to design in his career

  • Advocating for hands-on landscape crew experience as essential for aspiring designers

  • Insights on starting with production before moving into design and how it shaped a practical approach

  • John’s recent article in Fine Gardening about a pollinator garden he designed

  • Experience designing a pollinator garden in a gated community with strict color constraints

  • Using plugs and small plants to manage large-scale installations economically

  • Emphasizing the ecological value of elderberry and strategic placement in wet sites

  • Applying bold, naturalistic planting in high-end landscapes while meeting client expectations

  • The benefits of constraints in the design process

  • Strategies for managing weeds in naturalistic plantings using modified weed trimmerw between close plantings

  • Incorporating maintenance efficiencies by burying weeds on-site to reduce hauling

  • Philosophy of combining ecological soundness with appealing, client-specific aesthetics

  • Managing stormwater on-site with rain gardens piped from rooftops and planted with wetland species

  • Early adoption of rain gardens and recognizing their growing relevance in ecological design

  • Thoughts on using herbicides judiciously and only with client consent

  • Advocacy for smoother piping to prevent mosquito breeding in stormwater systems

  • Cautioning against overly ambitious soil prep, which can trigger invasive weed outbreaks

  • Personal shift away from intensive bed preparation due to changes in invasive species pressures

  • Emphasizing mass planting as both a design and maintenance strategy

  • Perspective on native plant design as a process of working with and responding to each site

  • Key takeaways for students: don’t be afraid to fail, start with production, and enjoy the process

  • Favorite plant combinations like Eryngium yuccifolium (rattlesnake master) with Schizachyrium scoparium (little bluestem), and Eupatorium perfoliatum (joe pye weed) with Panicum virgatum (switchgrass)

  • Insight into iterative design as a collaborative, evolving process with clients

  • The importance of responsiveness and clear communication in design relationships

  • Lessons learned from managing large projects and adjusting plans to meet budgets

  • Realization that aggressive soil prep can unintentionally benefit invasive species more than natives

  • Warning against downplaying the threat of invasive species within the horticultural industry

  • Personal responsibility in no longer planting species that show invasive tendencies

  • Frustration with the continued sale of known invasive plants in nurseries

  • Advocating for voluntary industry standards to avoid government regulation of invasive species

  • Example of discovering a beloved plant (Nigella damascena) was invasive and promptly removing it

  • Reflections on designing with ecological consciousness while still creating beauty

  • The value of podcasts in bringing together voices and sparking ideas across the horticulture field

  • Origin story of the Native Plant Podcast and working with Mike Berkley and other co-hosts

  • Memorable podcast guests like Dr. Michael Osborne and Felder Rushing for their emotional insights and big-picture thinking

  • Reminder that planting design is a living, evolving craft shaped by both intention and unpredictability

  • Use of waterproof notebooks as a simple but powerful tool for capturing ideas

  • Recommended reading: The Man Who Would Dam the Amazon and Other Accounts from Afield by John G. Mitchell for perspective on environmental ethics

  • Debunking the myth that native plants are more expensive or harder to grow

  • Emphasis on education and outreach as a way to engage the next generation of horticulturists

  • Encouragement to observe, experiment, and stay open to learning in the field of native plant design

  • You can learn more about John at his website john-magee.com and at The Native Plant Podcast.